CFI Emphasis Item

Notice Number: NOTC0699 CFI Emphasis Item:

Proper Endorsement of Student Pilots Recently, several
student pilots (under 40 years of age) have shown up for
their FAA Private Pilot Practical with an expired STUDENT
PILOT CERTIFICATE, however their third class medical was
still valid. CFIs, during your next review of the
regulations, make sure to re-read 14 CFR 61.91-Duration of
Pilot and Instructor Certificates.

Specifically paragraph (b) Student Pilot Certificate,
states: "a student pilot certificate expires 24 calendar
months from the month in which it is issued." Remember, IAW
14 CFR 61.23(d)(3)(ii)(A), the third class medical expires
at the end of the 36th month after the month of the date of
examination if the person has not reached his or her 40th
birthday on or before the date of examination. When
endorsing a student pilot, be sure to check the dates of
both the Medical and the Student Pilot Certificate. Even if
they are on opposite sides of the same piece of paper they
may have different expiration dates. All endorsements are
clearly outlined in AC 61-65E and can be found at:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/2E1337FC395E0A33862570D0005EA8A2?OpenDocument&Highlight=61
www.FAASafety.gov

[Note, a new Student Certificate can be obtained from any
DPE or FSDO office. The endorsements on the old certificate
remain valid, so keep the old Student Certificate and place
a current solo and x-C endorsement on the new certificate,
since they are getting ready for the practical test, they
certainly would continue to meet the requirements.
--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P]

I feel somewhat responsible for this. I was one of the CFI's in the
district to make this mistake. Luckily the DE pulled out another 8710
on the spot and made a temporary student certificate for the student.
Its an easy thing to forget. Its certainly odd too. The student pilot's
certificate is the only certificate you get from the FAA only on the
basis of asking for it. There is no requirement to do anything to get a
student pilots certificate (w/o the medical) other than to ask for it.
Makes you wonder what the point is.

-Robert


Jim Macklin wrote:
> CFI Emphasis Item
>
> Notice Number: NOTC0699 CFI Emphasis Item:
>
> Proper Endorsement of Student Pilots Recently, several
> student pilots (under 40 years of age) have shown up for
> their FAA Private Pilot Practical with an expired STUDENT
> PILOT CERTIFICATE, however their third class medical was
> still valid. CFIs, during your next review of the
> regulations, make sure to re-read 14 CFR 61.91-Duration of
> Pilot and Instructor Certificates.
>
> Specifically paragraph (b) Student Pilot Certificate,
> states: "a student pilot certificate expires 24 calendar
> months from the month in which it is issued." Remember, IAW
> 14 CFR 61.23(d)(3)(ii)(A), the third class medical expires
> at the end of the 36th month after the month of the date of
> examination if the person has not reached his or her 40th
> birthday on or before the date of examination. When
> endorsing a student pilot, be sure to check the dates of
> both the Medical and the Student Pilot Certificate. Even if
> they are on opposite sides of the same piece of paper they
> may have different expiration dates. All endorsements are
> clearly outlined in AC 61-65E and can be found at:
> http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/2E1337FC395E0A33862570D0005EA8A2?OpenDocument&Highlight=61
> www.FAASafety.gov
>
> [Note, a new Student Certificate can be obtained from any
> DPE or FSDO office. The endorsements on the old certificate
> remain valid, so keep the old Student Certificate and place
> a current solo and x-C endorsement on the new certificate,
> since they are getting ready for the practical test, they
> certainly would continue to meet the requirements.
> --
> James H. Macklin
> ATP,CFI,A&P]

I imagine that today, TSA will start to require a check to
run a background check. It is easy to do and easy to fix.

The DE was being very nice, the feds would likely have sent
him home and had you do another oral. Hope posting here
helps the students and CFIs keep it all straight.



"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|I feel somewhat responsible for this. I was one of the
CFI's in the
| district to make this mistake. Luckily the DE pulled out
another 8710
| on the spot and made a temporary student certificate for
the student.
| Its an easy thing to forget. Its certainly odd too. The
student pilot's
| certificate is the only certificate you get from the FAA
only on the
| basis of asking for it. There is no requirement to do
anything to get a
| student pilots certificate (w/o the medical) other than to
ask for it.
| Makes you wonder what the point is.
|
| -Robert
|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > CFI Emphasis Item
| >
| > Notice Number: NOTC0699 CFI Emphasis Item:
| >
| > Proper Endorsement of Student Pilots Recently, several
| > student pilots (under 40 years of age) have shown up for
| > their FAA Private Pilot Practical with an expired
STUDENT
| > PILOT CERTIFICATE, however their third class medical was
| > still valid. CFIs, during your next review of the
| > regulations, make sure to re-read 14 CFR 61.91-Duration
of
| > Pilot and Instructor Certificates.
| >
| > Specifically paragraph (b) Student Pilot Certificate,
| > states: "a student pilot certificate expires 24 calendar
| > months from the month in which it is issued." Remember,
IAW
| > 14 CFR 61.23(d)(3)(ii)(A), the third class medical
expires
| > at the end of the 36th month after the month of the date
of
| > examination if the person has not reached his or her
40th
| > birthday on or before the date of examination. When
| > endorsing a student pilot, be sure to check the dates of
| > both the Medical and the Student Pilot Certificate. Even
if
| > they are on opposite sides of the same piece of paper
they
| > may have different expiration dates. All endorsements
are
| > clearly outlined in AC 61-65E and can be found at:
| >
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/2E1337FC395E0A33862570D0005EA8A2?OpenDocument&Highlight=61
| > www.FAASafety.gov
| >
| > [Note, a new Student Certificate can be obtained from
any
| > DPE or FSDO office. The endorsements on the old
certificate
| > remain valid, so keep the old Student Certificate and
place
| > a current solo and x-C endorsement on the new
certificate,
| > since they are getting ready for the practical test,
they
| > certainly would continue to meet the requirements.
| > --
| > James H. Macklin
| > ATP,CFI,A&P]
|